@dragonflyblu02 me and you both because im not paying it was a law passed by someone who cant even prove he is a natural born citizen. as far as im concerned obama is not my president until he proves his citizenship. Hitler also passed a health care law very much similar to Obama care. the only thing i can say is they better start building a lot more jail cells because many people i know are not gonna pay for this bullshit excuse of health care
The book Obama: Why Black America Should Have Doubts (partially written by Martin Luther King’s niece) shows this of him! And the book Ted Kennedy: The Early Years shows he had Kennedy aid in getting elected!
So what if other people get ahead? LIFE ISN’T FAIR! Prosperous families shouldn’t be punished just because they earn more! They should be punished if they are scamming the public! Other than that, honest success shouldn’t be punished! GET OVER IT!
I remember hearing this in the debates and then I heard this health care plan was going to do the exact thing he was preaching against what a two faced motherfucking liar.
@poppycock696969 The third is of compassion. To a person who makes very little, $1 can mean the difference between life and death. To a person who makes billions per year, $1,000,000 means the difference between having and not having a third jacuzzi built in their backyard. Additional wealth is more valuable to the impoverished than to the affluent, and not everyone who is impoverished deserves to be. Some were unlucky, some live in an impoverished area, and some had poor parents.
The second is that income doesn’t necessarily reflect work ethic, skills, or contribution to society. It is very possible to earn money by contributing to society little, and it is possible to contribute greatly and earn little money. The average Nobel Prize -winning scientist makes less money than the average investor. Yet which one contributes more to society?
@poppycock696969 There are 3 issues here.
The first is exponential growth. It’s hard to gain wealth without wealth, but it’s easy to gain wealth if you already have wealth. You didn’t address this. Graduated taxation hinders the exponential growth. Even with graduated taxation, working harder is still in my interest because I stand to gain more wealth. My hard work is not “punished”; it’s still rewarded. And anyways, people who earn “a little wealth” aren’t taxed heavily.
@theCamelCase Are you saying if someone works and builds a little wealth, even if they came from a poor family and earned everything they have, the government should take it and redistribute it to people who did nothing to earn it?
@thegreatdaveo as far as charitable donations, shouldn’t be a tax credit there either. If you want to donate to charity it should be out of the kindness in your heart, not because there is a tax credit in it for you.
@thegreatdaveo Its just like people with kids getting back more than they pay. The govt says “If you’re irresponsible and have kids you can’t afford its ok we’ll have the rest of the taxpayers float the bill. If you are responsible and dont have more kids than you can afford thats fine, but you’ll be punished by having to pay for those less responsible.”
@thegreatdaveo thats bs if you want to buy a house thats your business you shouldnt get a tax break that just gives people who cant really afford a new home incentive to buy one anyway.
@kababayanC2
In laissez-faire economics, affluence allows people to gain more affluence. When I have money (or my parents had money), I am more able and likely to gain or retain my wealth. This process causes exponential growth, which is inherently unstable and unfair. Without a graduated income tax, when one person gets ahead, however briefly and however slightly, others are left with little chance to gain wealth. Graduated income taxes make laissez-faire economics a little less unstable.
You don’t pay more in income tax, you just don’t get the tax credit given to those who get health insurance. I got a tax credit for buying a house last year, so I guess people should be really upset that everyone didn’t get that tax credit, even if they didn’t buy a house like I did. I also contributed to charities & got a tax credit for that too. Should everyone get the charity tax credit even if they didn’t contribute at all? 95% of people got tax breaks this year, only the super-rich didn’t.
This is according to a letter. Let’s get a quote from the actual bill that was signed into law. The bill says nothing about jail, and even says specifically that you cant be charged criminally for not having health insurance.
Maybe we should, but healthcare is a SERVICE, not a right! A right is something you’re born to have, a service is something you pay for, or something someone pays for on your behalf. Healthcare is a service.
BUT GRADUATED INCOME TAXES ARE STILL UNJUST. Do you know what graduated income tax means? It means that the more you earn, the higher your taxes get. IT IS UNJUST!
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July 28th, 2010 at 10:09 pm
@dragonflyblu02 me and you both because im not paying it was a law passed by someone who cant even prove he is a natural born citizen. as far as im concerned obama is not my president until he proves his citizenship. Hitler also passed a health care law very much similar to Obama care. the only thing i can say is they better start building a lot more jail cells because many people i know are not gonna pay for this bullshit excuse of health care
July 28th, 2010 at 10:41 pm
The book Obama: Why Black America Should Have Doubts (partially written by Martin Luther King’s niece) shows this of him! And the book Ted Kennedy: The Early Years shows he had Kennedy aid in getting elected!
July 28th, 2010 at 11:35 pm
Obama knew somebody cured of being a homosexual!!!!! Call 1-888-264-0877 for a genuine homosexual cure!
July 29th, 2010 at 12:34 am
wow…looks like I’m going to jail folks…
July 29th, 2010 at 12:53 am
@theCamelCase
So what if other people get ahead? LIFE ISN’T FAIR! Prosperous families shouldn’t be punished just because they earn more! They should be punished if they are scamming the public! Other than that, honest success shouldn’t be punished! GET OVER IT!
July 29th, 2010 at 1:02 am
I remember hearing this in the debates and then I heard this health care plan was going to do the exact thing he was preaching against what a two faced motherfucking liar.
July 29th, 2010 at 1:41 am
@poppycock696969 The third is of compassion. To a person who makes very little, $1 can mean the difference between life and death. To a person who makes billions per year, $1,000,000 means the difference between having and not having a third jacuzzi built in their backyard. Additional wealth is more valuable to the impoverished than to the affluent, and not everyone who is impoverished deserves to be. Some were unlucky, some live in an impoverished area, and some had poor parents.
July 29th, 2010 at 1:47 am
The second is that income doesn’t necessarily reflect work ethic, skills, or contribution to society. It is very possible to earn money by contributing to society little, and it is possible to contribute greatly and earn little money. The average Nobel Prize -winning scientist makes less money than the average investor. Yet which one contributes more to society?
July 29th, 2010 at 1:56 am
@poppycock696969 There are 3 issues here.
The first is exponential growth. It’s hard to gain wealth without wealth, but it’s easy to gain wealth if you already have wealth. You didn’t address this. Graduated taxation hinders the exponential growth. Even with graduated taxation, working harder is still in my interest because I stand to gain more wealth. My hard work is not “punished”; it’s still rewarded. And anyways, people who earn “a little wealth” aren’t taxed heavily.
July 29th, 2010 at 2:22 am
@theCamelCase Are you saying if someone works and builds a little wealth, even if they came from a poor family and earned everything they have, the government should take it and redistribute it to people who did nothing to earn it?
July 29th, 2010 at 2:41 am
@thegreatdaveo as far as charitable donations, shouldn’t be a tax credit there either. If you want to donate to charity it should be out of the kindness in your heart, not because there is a tax credit in it for you.
July 29th, 2010 at 2:59 am
@thegreatdaveo Its just like people with kids getting back more than they pay. The govt says “If you’re irresponsible and have kids you can’t afford its ok we’ll have the rest of the taxpayers float the bill. If you are responsible and dont have more kids than you can afford thats fine, but you’ll be punished by having to pay for those less responsible.”
July 29th, 2010 at 3:54 am
@thegreatdaveo thats bs if you want to buy a house thats your business you shouldnt get a tax break that just gives people who cant really afford a new home incentive to buy one anyway.
July 29th, 2010 at 4:23 am
@kababayanC2
In laissez-faire economics, affluence allows people to gain more affluence. When I have money (or my parents had money), I am more able and likely to gain or retain my wealth. This process causes exponential growth, which is inherently unstable and unfair. Without a graduated income tax, when one person gets ahead, however briefly and however slightly, others are left with little chance to gain wealth. Graduated income taxes make laissez-faire economics a little less unstable.
July 29th, 2010 at 5:01 am
@theCamelCase
With graduated income taxes, the more you earn, the more you get taxed, taking away your chances to success.
Graduated income taxes punish hardwork
July 29th, 2010 at 5:02 am
@kababayanC2 “Graduated income taxes are also unjust!”
How are they unjust?
July 29th, 2010 at 5:54 am
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July 29th, 2010 at 6:03 am
You don’t pay more in income tax, you just don’t get the tax credit given to those who get health insurance. I got a tax credit for buying a house last year, so I guess people should be really upset that everyone didn’t get that tax credit, even if they didn’t buy a house like I did. I also contributed to charities & got a tax credit for that too. Should everyone get the charity tax credit even if they didn’t contribute at all? 95% of people got tax breaks this year, only the super-rich didn’t.
July 29th, 2010 at 6:26 am
what can I say third party smaller goverment is what we need.stop voteing for dems and rep.Demand a third choice.
July 29th, 2010 at 6:31 am
incorrect…
July 29th, 2010 at 6:57 am
This is according to a letter. Let’s get a quote from the actual bill that was signed into law. The bill says nothing about jail, and even says specifically that you cant be charged criminally for not having health insurance.
July 29th, 2010 at 6:59 am
@kababayanC2 Yes or no? Should we ban the practice of denying coverage for pre-existing conditions?
We arent discussion progressive taxes here.
July 29th, 2010 at 7:14 am
@kubush
Maybe we should, but healthcare is a SERVICE, not a right! A right is something you’re born to have, a service is something you pay for, or something someone pays for on your behalf. Healthcare is a service.
BUT GRADUATED INCOME TAXES ARE STILL UNJUST. Do you know what graduated income tax means? It means that the more you earn, the higher your taxes get. IT IS UNJUST!
July 29th, 2010 at 7:40 am
@kababayanC2 What’s unjust is being denied coverage for pre-existing conditions! Do you agree that we should ban that practice?
July 29th, 2010 at 8:39 am
@kubush
The government CANNOT force people to pay higher taxes because they don’t buy something the government wants them to buy! It is unjust!
Graduated income taxes are also unjust!